Atrial fibrillation information can be determined from ventricular information or a ventricular location, such as using ventricular rate variability. An ambulatory medical device can receive indications of pairs of first and second ventricular rate changes of three temporally adjacent ventricular heart beats. A first count of instances of the pairs meeting a combined rate change magnitude characteristic and a second count of instances of the pairs in which both of the first and second ventricular rate changes are negative can be used to provide atrial fibrillation information.